44 Replies Latest reply: Oct 5, 2013 8:50 PM by Naveen Kumar RSS

What do you do with your points?

Jürgen L
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There must be some secret which I did not yet uncover, maybe you could help me finding an answer.

 

A long day goes to it final hours and It feels like having read some hundred suffering stories because of the painfully missed point system.

 

And fortunately some fun too. I saw a lucky white rabbit hobbling from threat to threat leaving some hard pellets.

 

But back to all this weeping. Maybe those people could wipe the tears out of their eyes and help me and maybe some others who are interested in this question:

 

 

What do you do with your points?

 

 

 

 

 


  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Julius von dem Bussche
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    On a more serious note.. I find 3 uses for them:

     

    • Navigation via the reputation (my own and others) to see what and who found things useful. For that we dont need points, but currently the "likes" assign the points to you can "tag" people as well as content object to look for interesting content. For this you however need to know who is worth watching but does not make too much noise. A mail notification does the same though.
    • As a security person who also does forensic investigations, I find it a useful way (despite all the downsides of the points) to practice my creativity for catching folks who systematically plan misuse of systemic weaknesses. The SCN points system is a nice example of this. Some other people play Angry Birds or Swampy on their mobile phones, I hunt point gamers. (Unfortunately the level of "low-brainer" attacks like editing wikis have increased rapidly with the new platform - the interesting cartels of the old system were more challenging)
    • Every few months or so some bug in the points system provides for a lovely little fiasco. Todays excalating problems iscertainly in my top 3 all time favourites. Does anyone remember the points free ABAP General week back in 2008? Does anyone remember the SAP Employees who got caught gaming the system because points was bonus relevant for them? Or the SCN surveys promising points which were never assigned? Although it is actually sad, I do confess to also enjoy these fiascos because I am an open critic of the silly system, so I can also "I told you so" without a guilty concience.

     

    If SCN got rid of the silly system then it would be much more usable and professional here, but having to live with it does at least produce 3 things which I do with the points.

     

    So points are not all bad, but it would be much better without them now otherwise SCN will loose a lot of knowledgable people. I have lost several in the security area because of it.

     

    Cheers,

    Juius

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Steffi Warnecke
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    I... I... hmm... I like to look at them and am happy, if there are more points than the last time I checked.

     

    I don't really do something with my own points, but I like to collect stuff and here you can collect points. So why not? ^^

     

    But since I kind of try to use the points of other people to see how useful these people and their content can be to me (I hear Lukas scream, bu hey, that's what they are supposted to be used for, right?), I want those points to actually mean something. And it makes me want that my points also have that meaning to others. So I collect... but I try to do that through sharing knowledge and opinion.

     

    Also I like the "katsching!"-sound it makes in my head, when I see my points have grown.

     

    Since today I steal Julius' #3. Because that was sheer entertainment for me. But I pity the SCN team, that has to fix this chaos. ^^

    • Re: What do you do with your points?
      Julius von dem Bussche
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      Steffi Warnecke wrote:

       

      I... I... hmm... I like to look at them and am happy, if there are more points than the last time I checked.

      That sounds very much like the shopping virus...

       

      Can you send us a photo of your cellar? Also the "guest room" which is used to temporarily park lovely ideas from shopping excursions until they find their "final destination"....

       

      Cheers,

      Julius

      • Re: What do you do with your points?
        Steffi Warnecke
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        Shopping virus?! OMG, is it treatable?!

         

        My cellar would probably shock you. There is still room in my shelves and wardrobes. And I don't have a guest room, which is probably a good thing, because it would look like my storage room.

         

        Edit: *katsching*

         

        MORE EDIT:

        I just thought about it a moment longer and come back to my inital thought in my first blog here, the Raiders of the Lost Badges. There I wrote:

        Maybe that’s why I’m so focused on the badges here, because they are an appreciation of my work. They are the “good job!”s, “thank you for your help”s, that come so seldom in the work life.

        And I have to expand that to the points as well. If somebody gives me a like or a good rating or even the helpful- or correct answer-mark, it's like a "thank you!" and "well done!" and "nice!". It shows appreciation of what I wrote and that feels good. And my points and badges are - for me - a constant sign of that appreciation.

         

        Does that make sense?

        • Re: What do you do with your points?
          Julius von dem Bussche
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          I think the trick is that you dont carry too much bagage with you in your life and plan well.

           

          Shop (and dance) as if no one is watching you,

          pay (and decide) as if you earned the money / points yourself,

          and keep your shin up.

           

          OMG! I am becoming melodramatic and poetic as well. Ahhh...

           

          EDITS: Yes, It certainly can be used constructively if the rating is linked to the content and you can appreciate your content. But curently it is linked to the user only, so users goes bananas... The user based points needs to be repaced by content rating. User bases analysis should at most be a reporting and tags, nothing point related. Then the noise will go away, but we will still have a few good poems. OK for me.

    • Re: What do you do with your points?
      Benedict Venmani
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      hi Steffi,

      My thoughts exactly.....i just feel happy. Looking at it from time to time. No comparing or competition here. Just one more thing which adds to my satisfaction

       

      When I was in school I used to collect those gold foils wrapped around chocolates......no value here but I liked to see my cllection grow. Finally threw it away when I left for college

       

      Regards,

      Benedict

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Gareth Ryan
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    I'm reminded of a pretty poor British TV gameshow from days past - Play Your Cards Right that was hosted by Bruce Forsyth and had one (of many) catchphrases -

     

    "What do points make?"

     

    (Sorry! )

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Stephen Johannes
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    I was honestly expecting to convert them to frequent flyer miles at 3:1 ratio so that I could finally buy the couch pet steps that I saw in Skymall the last time I flew on TWA.  I'm hoping that they didn't raise the price in the last twelve years.

     

    If not I would gladly exchange them for some hotel points, so I can finally get a deluxe hotel robe instead of being sadden by the check baggage limits that prevent me from taking one home as it would put my checked bags over the limit and I would not want to have to pay the $50 overweight fee.

     

    Take care,

     

    Stephen

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Gill Leo
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    Hi Jurgen,

     

     

    - Enter daily points gained into a OLAP database.

    - Create Cyrstal reports of progress with pretty graphs and tables.

    - Any issues with application then log a question in Discussion forum.

    - Write a blog on progess.

     

    That will surely generate 2,000 points!!!

     

    Regards

    Gill

    • Re: What do you do with your points?
      Steffi Warnecke
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      You could enter the Data Geek Challenge with those information, too and win that badge while doing it. ^^ So many possibilities...

      • Re: What do you do with your points?
        Jürgen L
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        Gareth Ryan , I actually like this sentence from wikipedia: In the 90's version, points became pounds, but the rules remained the same

        this is giving me some hope and makes me understand  why collecting them is important

        (I enjoyed the show too)

        maybe Stephen Johannes frequent traveller miles are prior to that.

        Julius von dem Bussche, your points are valid, but it just explains what I can do with other people points, not really with mine

        Steffi Warnecke, I guess everyone likes the katching, just wonder if the sound is different if you beg for it (or even worse)

         

        I actually expected some serious replies, especially from the people who are  missing some points from the last crash.  (Hee. it is just like in the real life, when there is a crash at the stock exchange, then only the strong get out of it even stronger )

        Sorry, I am really keen on some input if there are people out there who have any real benefit from these SCN points, e.g. promotion in company, salary increase, got a better job because they could convince recruiters....

        These are the stories which I want to read (the one or other story which makes us smile is welcome too.)

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Matthew Billingham
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    I don't do anything with them.

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Gill Leo
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    Do contractors use these on CV's?

    • Re: What do you do with your points?
      Craig S
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      None that I've seen in the US. 

       

      I've said before, that if SCN points were taking room up on a resume I'd probably toss it as soon as I saw it.  Now maybe a mention of being a mentor or something like that would be OK, if it was in conjunction with having been a presenter or something.  But just points? Nope.

       

      FF

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Manjunath Ravi
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    I definitely don't have any idea on what i can do with my points .

    But every day morning when i open my SCN home page and i look

    at my points, suddenly it would have increased by 2 or 5 points

    It actually makes me Happy but i don't know why...!!!

    since it is very difficult to earn points in SCN , i seriously taken up

    this as a challenge to earn more points by helping fellow members

    with at-least helpful answers.

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Eric Peterson
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    I always figured there was a tacit understanding that with enough points, you could trade them in for a job at SAP.  You'd work 20-30 hours per week and have martini- and shrimp-filled lunches with executives where you get to decide who will be the new mascot of HANA, and discuss things like BYOD and how to make more clouds.

     

    Did nobody else get the same vibe from the gamification system?

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Manish Kumar
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    According to a loaded Javascript in SCN, the gamification platform has an interesting feature, ability to BUY POINTS!!

    var paymentMessage = "Buy points";

    '<h4>Use your Paypal account to buy ' + this.paymentDialogParams.pointCategory + '!</h4>' +

    '<h4>Use your Mobile Phone to buy ' + this.paymentDialogParams.pointCategory + '!</h4>' +

     

    Buy points, using Paypal or Mobile phone.

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Dogboy 49
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    Jürgen,

    To your question...

    What do you do with your points?

    ...for me, the answer is......nothing.

     

    In my company, here in North America, there are only a very few people who have even bothered to create SCN logons. Most of my colleagues only use SCN as an occasional research tool, or to ask questions. I don't think there are any other people here in my company that contribute to SCN. And, I can guarantee that management here doesn't use any SCN points system to decide anything.

     

    When I talk to other IT people from North America, outside my company, at conferences etc, I find that the busiest consultants (e.g. consistently have engagements) seldom are active contributors to SCN. No surprise.

     

    Which highlights the major thing that I find remarkable about SCN.  It is how certain prolific contributors; like for instance yourself and Rupesh, are able to maintain such high volume of contributions, while still holding down a regular job.

     

    Best Regards,

    DB49

    • Re: What do you do with your points?
      Craig S
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      Dedication Baby.. dedication....

    • Re: What do you do with your points?
      Jürgen L
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      Dogboy 49 you was probably hit by my Wednesday storm, that's actually my extra day off per week. My company is happy that I reduce my overtime. My wife is happy that I do the ironing on that day. She isn't a slave driver, so I am allowed to check SCN between 2 shirts. Result: a lot happy people: my boss, my wife, me and all who got a helpful answer.

       

      I see myself  more frugal (others may call if complicated). What are incentives for me? Just enjoyable combinations like working for some days/weeks in a subsidiary in a country where I haven't been yet. Actually a win win situation for all parties, somebody has to go, I volunteer, no extra costs, I see a new places and finally the work is done too.

      SAP could do this too, some trainings are not fully booked, so they could give the empty places to Top Contributors and it wouldn't cost any extra money, compared to a T-Shirt where the money leaves the company. Probably just the bookkeepers who are not able to calculate this and do not know to which account they have to post 0$

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Lluis Salvador Suarez
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    I remember that

     

    http://scn.sap.com/thread/3361005

     

    My answers: "...just increase it..."

     

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Tammy Powlas
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    Someone once said that being topic leader didn't even get him a "drink at the bar"

     

    So I guess we do not do anything with our points really - no prize, no free drinks - not sure of the motivations are any more

  • Re: What do you do with your points?
    Currently Being Moderated

    Nice to read this thread 

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